Summit Invertigo 118 cm, rockered cambered. What can I say but absolutely amazing. I have skied these on ice at Lutsen Minnesota, light powder and awesomely groomed at Granite Peak in Wisconsin, Powder Mountain and Snowbasin ice and crud in Utah, and Whitefish Montana in amazing powder and grooming. All I can say is great hold and stability, easy to turn, plows and floats through everything – powder and crud and holds on ice and carve, carve, carve, on and off piste and skid for fun too. I have RVL8 KTPs 101 cm and Tanshos 90 cm, Twoowt Swoons and Crenations 100 cm, Head Big Easy 94 cm and Summit CRZ 106 cm rockered – cambered – all are great boards. But these Invertigos are the cream of the crop. These are my all mountain all condition skiboards. I am also very appreciative of the demo type bindings, you can easily slide them forward for groomer days or back for powder and crud to increase float. That’s a no brainer. And for travel you can remove them in seconds. Turning radius of 9.5, seriously it turns as easy as the Head Big Easy 94 cm with a turn radius of 3.5. And these things are very fast, my buddies on their big boy skis can hardly keep up. And I can get through the mogels with relative ease (they can’t). I have quite a bit of knee pain from various injuries but these things make skiing a joy with minimal discomfort. Here is my take. Probably one of the best if not the best skiboard around. A great value. A great all mountain and all condition board. I’m actually going to buy a second pair for family and friends to try. Don’t hesitate. Get this skiboard. You won’t be sorry. 10/2018 (Unsolicited review).
Rider – Thomas Buividas – Skiboarder
Category: Boards
Alec runs the RVL8 Spliff’s through various conditions out west
The Spliff was a board I had been eyeing for a long time. Its cambered and rockered design was intriguing, and I especially liked that it seemed like a lengthened KTP with rocker. The graphics are also stunning.
I knew these are suited for riding out west, so I waited until one of my trips to Utah to break these out. It had dumped snow the first day out, but only then, so I rode these in both fresh powder and skied-off hardpack a few days later. These boards are a bit of an oddity in that they are large in size but playful with a short running length, and they feel like they ride longer when laying into carves.
In powder they floated just fine and performed as well as can be hoped. On hardpack they held quite well on the fresher snow, but in those later days the chatter was noticeable. I will not fault the boards for this though, as they aren’t designed for these harder, icier conditions, and more camber/running length are probably necessary. That said, it may be better to think twice about taking these out if icy conditions are at all expected. They did take some effort to get on edge, as these wide-boards do, so are probably better suited to larger or more-aggressive riders.
These will not beat out powder boards for powder, or skinnier, fully-cambered boards on groomers, but they will provide an enjoyable experience on both. The Spliffs are definitely all-mountain boards, and for some people will truly be a quiver of one.
Rider – Alec Estrada – Intermediate Skiboarder
Rumspringas deserve a little more love
This was my first foray into the “skinny” skiboard design that dominated in the early days and was resurrected by RVL8 for the Rumspringa. At 6’1 and 210lbs, it was quite a shock to see how narrow they are compared to the much wider boards I usually ride. The Rocket graphics are great. I rode them at Sugar Mountain, NC in icy/rainy/slushy conditions and they performed beautifully.
I was a little concerned that as the day went on and the slopes turned more into slush that I would need to go back to the car and swap out for my KTPs. I never had to swap them since these things held an edge like a dream and shockingly pushed the slush around nicely. I tuned them at 1 base angle and 2 side, to give it a little more cushion in getting on edge and a little more bite. The Rumspringas also seemed quite stiff, nearly as much as the KTP’s I’d say. The shallow sidecut meant these things like wider arcs than other skiboards, and they bombed down the hill. I was nervous that the relatively small surface area would provide moments of instability, but shockingly I never felt out of control at all. They are so easy to get on edge and held so well, it was a blast flying by other riders on the mountain so effortlessly.
I’m sad these don’t get more love. They are not an all-mountain board, sure, but they excel at what they are designed for. Between the edge control and the shallow sidecut, these were made to rip down groomers and they did not disappoint.
Rider – Alec Estrada – Riding the Rockets – Intermediate Skiboarder
Take the Condors out when the snow is fresh
I was pumped to get ahold of a pair of 2014 Condors right before the start of last season, not only are the graphics killer but I was long overdue in having the legendary all mountain powder board in my quiver. Riding powder with finesse has always taken more skill and effort on skiboards, so to finally have boards designed for it in my hands felt like getting a car with 4-wheel drive. The first thing I noticed about the Condors was the sheer mass of the boards, they’re huge! At 16.5/13.7/16.5 there just isn’t a wider skiboard period. I ended up riding the Condors all the way through the peak of the season thanks to a handful of powder filled weeks. While not for everyone this board is definitely for anyone who is a semi to very aggressive rider looking to boldly shred lots of powder. They just handle it like a champ! The camber design means a slight lean back (keep your tips up) rule of thumb applies when entering a stash or hitting a steep pocket, standard technique but the float and power/stability of these boards is a feeling to behold. The boards have a bit of flex to them not really particularly stiff nor too soft. The combination of powder performance and softbooting is pure bliss and a good way to put your softboot binding setup/boot combo to the test. I hunted powder relentlessly and plunged into deep stashes with speed that I wouldn’t have taken on other boards, the performance increase in powder was that astonishing. I also had some of the smoothest drop landings ever with these, such a nice foot print for landing, and even being the widest model I never found myself stuck in any of the tree filled chutes I love to fly through.
I was actually quite surprised how well I could edge to edge in groomed to mildly hard conditions, at times the Condor felt like a DLP on steroids, but on the real hard to icy stuff the width wasn’t fun if not dangerous on the terrain I frequent. This kind of gets into the binding setup a bit, I can see how Line FF-Pros or RVL8 Receptors with hard ski boots would provide enough rigidity to compensate for the Condors gargantuan size in on-piste hard packed conditions. While the soft setup is a little more lose in the ride, perfect for powder, the Condor needs to be ridden with intention and concentration.
I’d stress only taking these out when the snow is fresh however, preferably deep. The one draw back is the mass of these boards can really work against you on hard pack, I really would not want to crash on hard stuff with a setup like this. Whip out your Revolts or DLP’s on those days. On a final note, softboot all mountain shredding in deep powder is a reality, and an absolute dream come true. The fun now is finding the end-all base binding and boot combo. Let the experiments begin!
Boots Used: 2013 Salomon Synapse Flex rating – 7
Base Binding: SnowJam Team Stark Pro binding (orange)
Binding Mod: Rvl8 Saavi Wing system
Riser: Missouri Riser
Mountain: Mt. Bohemia
Skill Level: Expert
Rider – George- Expert Rider
SkiboardMagazine Co-Founder Jason lays down the Spliff
The newest RVL8 offering, the Spliffs are the result of 4 years of experimentation with rocker skiboards. With a rocker-camber combo they lean more towards a traditional camber skiboard feel than RVL8’s previous rockered offerings, less of the “surf-like” feel than the Blunt XL skiboards.
This makes them a freerider’s one quiver dream, having a big performance envelope. They are fairly big skiboards, at 109cm long and 13cm wider underfoot, but the rockered tips make them feel and control much more like shorter skiboards on groomers, as the rocker elevates the tips out of the way. The rockered tips jump into play when pushed into carves and turns, giving them the edge control of the full 109cm when you need it. Like any wider skiboard they do take a bit more effort and are a little slower to get up on edge, but the rockered tips make initiating turns effortless, rarely catching an edge.
On piste, it takes a bit of time to get acquainted with the point at which skiboards are pushed enough for the tips to engage and the full edge length can be relied upon. I sometimes find myself thinking the tips will engage, when they don’t, or vice-verse, but this confusion has slowly eroded the more I ride them. The 6.5m turning radius is not out of the ordinary for the size, allowing for the deep short carves most skiboarders love. Thanks to the underfoot camber, skating around flats is a breeze, added bonus!
The Spliffs shine in deep snow and off-piste. I felt not acquaintance time here, they just perform. The rockered tips aided by their width give a great amount of lift in soft deep snow with that lively pop from the camber. The flex range that the rocker-camber provides feels amazing. I feel like I have butterfly wings under my feet feeling poppy and light, with a large reach of support and lift. I find a 2-4cm setback is preferable for powder to put more weight on the tails and prop the front tips up and found myself leaving them setback without noticeable difference in performance on groomed snow.
I have had virtually no issues with tail support like I felt on zero-camber rockered skiboards. I can count on the tails to support me, rarely feeling like they will slip out from under me. Landing drops and pressing the tails rarely feeling the need to hold back thanks to the extra support the extension of the under foot camber provides.
They are not undefeated however. On a very heavy concrete sticky powder day, I found myself wishing for a pair of Blunt XL’s, struggling to keep the tips up, heavier and taller riders might have less of an issue with that as their extra leverage could more easily bring the tips up in these conditions, and in such harsh conditions its hard to expect miracles anyways.
Being pretty big skiboards, freestylers, park rats, and fancy foot-workers will feel the size and they can be a lot to throw around without the precise edge of fully cambered skiboards. This is where they felt the most rocker “surf-like”, by not being able to rely heavier on the full pop and full edge control of the 109cm length. They aren’t terrible, in the park, just a little confusing, as the rockered tips rarely engage enough in the park unless pushing a deep carve off a kicker or fully pressing down on the tips. They do however feel less sloppy than fully rockered skiboards in the park. That said, these favor freeriders, and the rockered tips are super fun and effortless to press around, doing butters and presses over hips even in powder, hitting choppy banks and natural features, in a more freeride style and knowing the support of that wide range, rocker-camber tail will catch you on the way down!
These have been by far what I consider to be the best freeride skiboards I’ve tried, impressive for a sub-110cm category, skiboard. Thanks to the rocker-camber combo, they have a huge performance envelope, but they need to be ridden fairly aggressively in order for them to show their true potential, being geared towards intermediates to advanced riders, heavier and taller riders, those looking at going off-piste looking for steep and deep, while still maintaining very decent on-piste performance. Beginner and non-aggressive riders don’t stand to gain much from riding the Spliffs over other options.
I would love to see variations in length for this rocker-camber combination. The point at which these skiboards are pushed enough for the tips to engage enough and the full edge can be relied upon is very subjective to the rider. Chopping 10cm off the length while keeping the same rocker-camber ratio and same width would give lighter and shorter their own freeride possibilities, (or even adding an extra 10cm for even larger riders!)
Rider – Jason Roussel Co-Founder SkiboardReview.com – Expert Skiboarder
Editor in Chief Andrew reviews the 109cm Twoowt Dark Skiboards
First impressions out of the box are these things are slick looking and very impressive. Built with the same sandwich style construction as the other modern top flight skiboards on the market these Twoowts are also sporting a 6 hole pattern instead of the standard 4×4. This allows for the ability to set your standard 4×4 bindings back for those ‘powder’ days when the so arise.
With a non symmetrical shape I wondered how these would look, but you’d never know it, as the tips are 15.6 with 12.6 at the waist and 15.1 at the tail, so very close to symmetrical. They are designed this way with the unidirectional design to give skiboarders better control on the intent of all mountain riding. The boards have a solid wood poplar core and are stiff, not Loken stiff, but stiffer than most boards riders are use to these days. This is something I look for in a board, hence why I like the KTP’s so much, as I like to sit very back seat when I ride.
I have been riding 99’s and 101’s recently but in the past ride my Revolt’s and 120cm Spruce’s quite a bit. So it’s not that I don’t ride longer boards, but it had been a while. These boards never felt that long, in fact they felt very much like the KTP’s, even with the extra 8cm.
When I first jumped on the hill I was immediately comfortable on the Dark’s. The smaller tail may allow for the feel to not be as ‘big’ as other symmetrical boards of the 110cm length. I could carve with absolute ease and never had a moment of…hmmm…on these boards. They just felt ‘right’. Long large carves on groomed runs is where, I felt, these boards shined the best. I don’t do park so that’s not part of my review, but I do ride tree’s, I just haven’t had a chance yet on these boards and will update the review once I get some time on them in the forest. Others I ride with have ridden the 109cm Twoowt Lions through the heavy glades at Mt Bohemia and absolutely love them there, so I will take their word for now, that they perform well in that arena.
These boards impressed me from the get go right out of the box. Great craftsmanship, cool design and color scheme and superb performance on the slopes. If you are looking for boards in this length I would definitely suggest giving these a try, if you can get some of them. At this time there aren’t many avenues to acquire them here in the states, but I’m hoping there will be in the near future as I’d love to try some of the other boards in their lineup.
Skiboardreview.com’s Editor Andrew tackles the RVL8 KTP’s
Over the years I have tried many different boards and have found I really enjoy a stiff board as I sit back seat when I ride. For the past few seasons I’ve been using the Loken CT8’s which are 99cm and super stiff. I’ve always been told to try out the RVL8 KTP for that reason, as it’s just a bit longer than the CT8’s and they are nice and stiff.
I had my opportunity at the 2015 Midwest Meet in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula at Mount Bohemia, which is all backcountry tree skiing. The width and stiffness of the boards is what I noticed right off the bat. Several times I found myself sitting too far backseat and on softer boards I would have went down, but not on the KTP’s.
The boards are just .5cm larger at the tip and the tail than the CT8’s but the extra length and 1cm larger at the waist made them feel much larger. The width did surprise me at first and it took a good day of riding to get used to them, but by day 2 it had all come together.
Taking quick turns through the dense areas of Bohemia wasn’t a chore once I got used to these. I was able to point downhill and just go, and not stop or scrub speed. I’m in my mid 30’s and there have been times in years past I wasn’t able to keep up with the youngsters in our group, this year I did a lot better job of keeping up, and even over taking some.
The KTP’s were there pushing me to do more, pushing me to go faster, to cut turns sharper, to slide through that narrow tree opening, to take that steeper elevation with more aggression than I had in years past.
I’m not a cliff dropper or a park rat, I don’t grind anything, so I don’t need the KTP’s to do that for me, I was looking for responsiveness and stiffness to allow me to move seamlessly through the glades and to allow me to sit back seat and float if we get some Londer (Inside joke, but that’s referring to powder at Bohemia). We didn’t run into much der when we were there, but what we did find I floated nicely through.
Cutting through trees quickly and easily was the name of the game, and the KTP’s shined at every turn. I had borrowed a pair of 2011’s at the meet, but no more than 2 days after I returned I put in my order for 2015’s, which have arrived.
The length is right on, the width is big, but very manageable and the stiffness is where I need it. I don’t have any complaints about these boards, they are now going to be my go to board. For me, these boards are exactly what I was needing in a skiboard.
That’s my opinion, what’s yours?
Rider – Andrew Deehr – Editor of Skiboardreview.com
Fast and smooth RVL8 Blunt XL
It hasn’t snowed in two weeks in Tahoe. Temps were in the 20’s in the morning. They stayed pretty cold all day. Heavenly did a nice job of grooming, but there was lots of ice under the broken up stuff… very fast smooth icy groomers. Kirkwood did a crappy job of grooming so lots more faster steeper ice there. I had a great time on the XL’s. The boards pack a lot of performance in a very small package. As a dedicated long board and short ski rider, I don’t like many short skiboards.
This one is different and a lot of fun. The boards felt so light on my feet. The ride feel comes very close to the Groove Taxis I used to have. However, it’s much more stable. The board’s ride feel is like no other board I own. The board is very easy to turn and control. It does not carve like a Sherpa or LE in that I could not lock an edge. It is very comfortable going fast down a run with the tips pointed sideways slarving or pointed straight down the run. I could do a hard hockey stop without any chatter on these runs. This is the kind of hard run the Sherpa would have chattered on. The edge is most easily engaged with pressure a little forward. I found it easiest to do this by reaching with a pole forward to initiate the turn. This would keep the tips alternating back and forth as I reached, but the tips would be consistently pointed down hill. If I skied more upright, the tips wander, but they don’t wobble at all. The short flat spot and rocker on this base does not let the edges alternately catch and release which usually generates the wobble on many skiboards skied flat.
This board would not wobble no matter how it is skied. I felt that grip is not huge, but there is enough there that I never felt like I was going to slide out. In some spots that were so steep and icy, all I could do was hang on. I never slid out today. I had no problem with tail support. There is plenty. On the short mogul run we did, I really liked how fast and smooth turn can be done on the XL. With all the ice, I expected more difficulty. With the soft edge, slipping over a mogul is very easy. This same edge though I think would make a skier used to a solid edge feel that they have not control. I don’t think a skier will like this board. I give this board a big thumb’s up. I can’t wait to ride it in good conditions. Kudos to Greco and Jeff for giving us another great board to ride.
Rider – Wendell Jeong – Expert Skiboarder
Loving the DLP’s
I ended up buying the DLPs. Love them!! The Pros out weigh the Cons but here’s some info so you can decide for yourself.
Pros: Great in Powder and crud. Good in the glades. Great in the Park: unlike most skiboards you can land these things anywhere. Fast, quick turns. good in moguls. Love them for skiing with the kids: no poles to carry and if they need a push or help no long skis to get in the way. ALL ski instructors should have them.
Cons: Not great hold when conditions are hard. Make sure you file down top edge of skis or they will chip. Research or get custom bindings, the brakes I got with mine stick out and are always ripping up my pants(really annoying).
Grade: B+
Bottom Line: I’m not even a “Park guy” anymore, too old yet they are incredible in the park. The landing for such a short ski is amazing. I feel more comfortable off kickers on these then my 165mm skis. Great all mountain ski too.
Rider – Kurt
Skiboardmagazine’s Jason lays down the R8 Blunt XL review…
This was my first time riding rockered skiboards and immediately I felt comfortable with them. My first impression was this felt a lot more like I was “surfing” on the snow, initiating turns was effortless. I was pleasantly surprised and that the edges hold up very well for a wide library of turns, from slow to fairly high speed carves. They don’t pop out of turns, but this is to be expected without and camber to spring them out of turns, making them much more of a easy going kind of ride, even at high speeds.
They did not feel as cumbersome as other wide boards I’ve tried, holding up on ice better than I thought they would and easier to get up on edge thanks to the rocker. The interesting thing about the rocker is that the boards are always ready to be put up on edge and carve no matter the speed or conditions.
The combination of width and rocker is a dream in powder and soft snow, and they were easy to pull up over the snow when I felt I was sinking. They handled wonderfully center mounted in some light powder and even better set back when I hit deeper stuff, but I kept on wishing the tails were a little stiffer to give more support when the noses needed to be pulled up like drops or when coming into soft snow and crud, especially when riding them set back. I was falling back seat pretty frequently even after adjusting my riding. Their mid size makes them enjoyable in glades, able to pick tight turns in trees.
The rocker unfortunately doesn’t help much for skating around on the flats, and I felt the boards seemed slower to pick up speed than cambered skiboards.
For park I had to adjust my riding much more. These skiboards where not really conceived for park of course but I tried them out anyways. Without the pop of the tails take off on lips feels a little dull, I needed to pick up more speed to hit features and initiate spins. But once I adjusted it was an interesting feeling as if I was “surfing” off jumps and lips. The rocker on rails really was no fun, sloppy and easily falling off. But they are incredible fun to butter and press around on, never catching and edge when pivoting on the tails or nose.
If you’re looking for a powder board that doesn’t compromise too much on the rest of the mountain and if you’re into cruising around effortlessly these are wonderful. Best for freeriding down steeps, powder, and glades, and after mellow carves on the lower mountain back to the chair.
Rider – Jason Roussel – Expert Skiboarder Co-Founder of Skiboardmagazine.com