Spanners reviews 3 boards (Jedi’s,Titanal 99’s, Woodies)

As I have skied on three different skiboards I have written one review covering them all as a form of comparison. The boards used were the Line Jedi (with FF Pro bindings + 2 rubber spacers), Lacroix Titanals 99’s (riser + Tyrolia SP130 release bindings) and finally Summit Custom 110′ s (riser + rubber spacer + Tyrolia SP130’s)

Jedi’s
I’ve skied for just over 29 years now since the age of 20. Skiing unshaped skis (planks), long skis and then long shaped skis. However about 15 years ago I wanted a bit of a change and did not want to go all the way to snowboarding etc. I’d briefly played on Big Feet and then had lots of fun on “blades” but was wanting something more so off piste was acheivable. So in late ’99 I got a pair of Jedi’s via importers from Canada.

Compared to blades these were fantastic and gradually I stopped taking my big boy’s skis and just settled on the convenience and fun of the Jedi’s – saving on lots of ski carriage as they went in my normal wheelie bag. Which also meant my back did not get jarred by the time I got to the slopes.

The Jedi’s have been a good companion for me over the years (11 in all). I have only semi retired them due to wanting just a bit more surface area – partly due to extra weight from all the safety gear – otherwise they are basically as good as they were many years ago. Tuning the edges if need be (lightly) every other day along with and a quick hot wax – and it only takes a few minutes due to there relatively small size – to keep the speed and agility in them.

So basically the Jedi’s are a lot of fun with some good credentials. On piste they are pretty good. Moguls fast and fun. Steep…whatever they just a grin. Possibly hard pack or ice are tricky sometimes where the shortness goes against them, but I’ve not had those conditions very often…we tended to spend even more time off piste when the conditions are like that.

Off piste they can do a lot once you are used to them. Which generally does not take too long. The Jedi’s struggle on shallow gradients for someone of my size/weight (70Kg/154Lbs + ski gear), needing a certain speed to get them floating. But once they are floating then you are off. Which is especially fun when in the trees, particularly as there is less ski to catch.

An initial niggle with the skiboards was getting used to the fixed bindings (Line FF Pro’s with 2 rubber spacers to raise binding) particularly after cable-cars/bubbles as you need to find out the do’s and don’ts. Obviously doing anything on a steep gradient, or off piste is going to be tricky, so you need to have got that sorted before you venture there. I adjusted my bindings to accommodate this by making sure the heal and toe swing arms had some resistance (slight bend) so they would stay where you placed them – especially needed on the heal side. Then you do not need to use the strap to hold it up…Next I made an adjustment to the ankle strap as the clip would get full of compressed snow preventing it’s ease of use. There I changed by modifying the strap so it could be placed under 2 boot buckles so no strap clips to connect. This meant if the ski did come off – it never did – then the strap was clamped under the buckles and prevent an escaping ski. Other than that a slight boot adjustment to the rear if a lot of off piste was to be undertaken and that was about it.

So other than the surface area of the Jedi’s there was no downsides, just smiles all the way. Hence skiing on them for years and years.

I did adopt the use of collapsible poles within a year of the Jedi’s as the poles gave you more options. Being collapsible you could keep them in your rucksack or collapse them down and hold them. But when you get to steep, deep or bumps they can bring back the “traditional” long ski feel. So the poles are there when you need them and not if you don’t. Off piste, extending the poles meant that you could float on shallower gradients then without poles and when it got really deep you could extend them to give some additional stability along with a larger baskets.

Skiing wise I’m not a risk taker. I’ll only start jumping etc if I’ve done a good few weeks skiing and my body is in the zone. I’ll go fast and do everything, but as I never got into skiing at a young age my mind will not allow me to do the younger fancy jumps and flips…until I’m nice and supple that is.

My overall score for the Jedi’s would be On Piste 8/10 Off Piste 6.5/10

Titanals
I then had an opportunity to get a bit more surface area and was going for some Summit Custom 110’s but they sold out in January 11 so I ended up getting a pair of never used Lacroix Titanal 99’s cheap of Ebay, some release bindings (new) and riser plates (new – non metal construction) which turned out to be from an old ski mate that had not heard from in 8 years.

The Titanals had a good surface area in comparison with the Jedi’s but with the release bindings they were a heavier piece of kit. Just as much fun and with usable floatation on shallow off piste now – mainly due to the greater surface area. Hence they were quicker then the Jedi’s on shallow gradients, but still required some conscious effort… A pair of 110’s would be ideal. 120’s would never fit in a wheelie bag, whilst transportation costs would mount up. Also 120’s are just not Skiboards – in my opinion.

The Titanals were more noticeable under foot on piste – in a good way. Partly because of the heavier bindings and general construction/size. Along with the increased width changing the feel of when you go to edge etc. They had a nice carbon fibre style black graphic on top but with a light Lacroix worded bottom – ideally would prefer standard black for repairs etc.

I only skied on the 99’s for a couple of weeks in Spring 2011. The skis were great, the bindings (Tyrolia SP130) messed around a little and needed some tweaking to resolve a front boot slide out issue (3 times) on aggressive turns on piste. This was resolved by taking the front DIN up to max (13). The beauty of this type of binding is it’s a “rental” type binding, meaning that it can be adjusted for different boot sizes by just moving a lever – no tools. Which means you can quickly move the binding backwards (3-5cm) if you want to to move the balance point for different terrain etc.

As I did not use the FF Pro bindings on the Titanals I’m not sure how much of the feel on edge and going to edge was down to that. Basically, they just did what I wanted when I wanted.

Overall on piste the Titanal 99’s were just as much fun in real terms, and I would give them 8.5/10. Off piste they cope a lot better then the Jedi’s and hence move up to 7.5/10.

Summit
For Spring 2012 I got in early and purchased a pair of Summit Custom 110’s (bamboo style woodies). I moved the Tyrolia SP130s on to 110s and added the larger of the high density rubber spacers from the Jedi bindings.Now I had the optimum Skiboard for my weight and what I liked to do – all terrain.

The 110’s had low gradient floatation off piste now, along with a bit of speed. With much better floatation generally off piste, meaning no immediate need to move the bindings back a notch to help keep the tips up rather than strain yourself – that would only be deep fresh powder now I imagine. However, conditions were so so for the 3 weeks skiing that season (two weeks Tignes, one week La Plagne). Conditions had meant pistes had a lot of hard pack – not ideal for skiboards – so it was a tad hard work mentally at times. Not much powder also meant that for a while they could not really be exploited. However there was enough in “hidden” places to know that 110s were fully capable.

The 110’s just add to Titanals which added to the Jedi’s. But each are a lot of fun.

The 110’s are more like the Titanals, especially with the SP130 bindings used. So they are quite heavy in comparison to the Jedi’s with FF Pro’s, but very stable. The main difference being the additional length then the 99’s and differences in construction.

Obviously because of the increase length there becomes a greater risk of injury with a fixed binding. However 110 is still a fixed binding option for me for my weight/height and because I’ve skied for years. However the slight convenience of the release binding does mean that skiing with mates means you are never having a trickier moment then them. Running the bindings on a high DIN setting is preferred – by myself – especially as fixed is still an option. The binding will still release but only when it really needs to. So you can do fast aggressive turns in confidence and also not get heavy snow building up on the tips pulling the ski off. Whilst there is no “strap” to worry about as now there are traditional brakes (on some models…wise to get them as makes putting on easier for a start as they cannot slip away as easily).

I would say that the 110’s and 99’s are great skiboards. The 99’s for young/short/light people and the 110 for all terrain/aggressive skiers/heavier skiers! Going with a release binding and collapsible poles (for all terrain, not really freestyle though) to give you greater flexibility – a collapsible ski pole is a reasonable good avalanche probe with the basket taken off and full extended if need be.

So for the Custom 110’s I would say On Piste 8.5/10 Off Piste 8.5/10

I would not count myself as an expert skier even though I’ve skied for many many years. Partly because I feel to be an expert you need to be doing more that a few weeks a year. I’ll ski anything and at pace, with loads of different turns, but unless I’ve skied for more than 2 months in a season I could not have the fitness level to do the things you do at expert level. However I’m always being told you can’t ski those “blades” off piste and they are not quick enough. I just say well I find they cope just fine… By the end of the day the naysayers end up saying they are not sure why they use these long skis, as it appears short skis are just as good…even Ski Guides have had to be convinced that these (110’s) are all terrain. Asking if I had longer skis with me or at the apartment – they had never had a skiboarder before! For me to say nope I’m fully kitted up for off piste, but these are the skis I use nowadays. By the end of day they too have said they’re surprised how quick they are, and that how they cope with all types of off piste.

So there you have it. Skiboards – in my opinion – are highly underrated – it’s a size thing…bigger must be better – and are great fun, convenient and basically can do what the big skis do, especially comparing against the norm of recreational skiers on big skis. So keep them tuned up every couple of days and they will just deliver every time whilst surprising the “nay saying others”.

Rider – Spanners – Expert Skiboarder

Titanal 99’s

Woodies

Weapons were a great innovation for their time…

These boards were a great innovative board of their time, but by todays standards are short/thin and unimpressive. They pretty much suck in any amounts of powder because of how small/thin they are. However they are extremely durable and feel smooth on rails because of the grindplate…which is a nice feature but i dont feel like it is necessary. They look pretty cool with the black sparkles. All in all these boards are tanks, they feel good in the park, but anywhere out of that they are simply subpar.

Rider – Ty Bereskie – Expert Skiboarder


Weapons are solid boards…

The way these ride depend a lot on where you’re coming from. They’re rather skinny compared to modern skiboards. If you’re upgrading from snowblades, older Lines would be good transition boards into modern skiboards.

The grind plate makes riding rails smooth, but doesn’t help you “lock on” to the rails as some people may think. Grinding anything wider than the built in grind plate is kind of awkward, because you slide well in the middle, but not as well on the board’s edges. Wider rails and boxes seem very awkward and uneven because of this.

The low surface area makes these boards a lot of work in powder. They’re also very stiff which may be a good or bad thing depending on what you’re riding and your preferences. I found the stiffness to be a good thing.

Overall, the quality of these boards is very good. They took several years of abuse and are still solid, with only top sheet chipping (which is normal with sidewall construction boards).

These boards were made in sidewall, and capped construction models.

Rider – Courtney – Expert Skiboarder


MNP’s were the best in their time…

The Line MNPs were my first venture into a true pair of skiboards. Prior to this, I owned the original version of the Salomon Snowblades. This was a world of difference in performance, speed, stability, and overall fun. This was my favorite skiboard until a few seasons ago when both Summit and RVL8 starting making their own skiboards and have taken the sport to a new level. What I enjoyed about the MNPs were their speed and their agility. The could handle all east coast conditions, flying down the mountain. The only problems I ever had with them were in powder, where I would get stuck in deep powder and that was no fun. With the evolution of skiboards being wider, this problem has now been solved.

For their time, the MNPs were the best skiboards out there, and if you can get your hands on a pair cheap, they are still a great skiboard to get yourself introduced to the sport or to have a pair to abuse, but with the evolution of the current crop of skiboards, the MNPs are now a skiboard of the past, a dinosaur that has been surpassed.

Rider – Edward Ho – Expert Skiboarder (Joshua Tree 98cm model)


MNP’s give added stability…

As with all the old Line boards, these were great boards for their time. Compared to today’s boards, these are rather skinny.

I spent less time riding these compared to my Line Weapons, but when I did ride them I liked the added stability that the stiffness provided. Rough conditions felt smoother because of the board’s flex. The length made these boards decently fast.

If transitioning from snowblades or something similar, the older Line boards will be a nice upgrade and transition to wider, newer skiboards.

Rider – Courtney – Expert Skiboarder admin at skiboardmagazine.com


MNP’s are bullet proof…

I’ve used the same pair of MikeNick Pro’s for about ten or twelve years. They are absolutely bullet proof. They can take anything you can throw at them and comeback for more. They are very easy to store in the smallest closet and easily fit into a car filled your friends and their gear. THey handle very easy and are extremely stable and solid. I now ski on the RVL8 ALP’s and my son has been using my MNP’s for the past two years and they still have plenty of life in them.

I highly recommend these boards, especially if you can pick them up at a bargain price.

Rider – Alex Grabarnik – Intermediate Skiboarder


Jedi’s are great starter boards…

The Line Jedis have performed great for me so far, they are a great board if you are just getting started, as long as you can grab it cheap. If not just get a new RVL8 one. It is quite short in size (only 89cm) and compared to newer boards it is rather slim (11.6/10.1/11.6). This makes it very tiring to ride in powder, which I haven’t quite got the hang of yet, but I’m sure any really light rider like me should manage OK with the bindings set back. They are very stiff, making them ideal for me, but this is down to personal preference. They have capped construction, and to me it seems like they hold up well to top sheet chipping, but that might be down to the fact I really need to get my edges sharpened, rust off etc… Again the difference between capped and sidewall construction are down to personal preference, but seeing as all the RVL8 boards are sidewall you don’t really have much choice. 

Now to their ride:
These are very stiff like I said before, so they do well for aggressive riders like me. I have not noticed any chatter so far, but I have not been pushing them all that fast, seeing as I have only ridden them on an indoor slope and a sledging hill. They’re great for just cruising along, but unleash all their force when you let them loose. As any other skiboard with four hole Inserts and symmetrical shape they are great fun (of course Sherpas are supposedly fun as well, and they do look fun, but I can’t really comment on them). Their only drawbacks are that if you’re a bigger/heavier guy/girl they will suck in powder and they won’t be quite as fast as some bigger boards, but good old gravity will still do a great job at getting you down a hill with a big adrenaline rush. As well as that they give you a good shake when plowing through some crud, so keep your tips up and try not to face plant too often, which happens all too easy with the short skiboards.

To make a long story short, their not the best boards out their, but if you can grab a pair cheap, take them as they’re great for getting started or just keep them in your car and when some snowboarder/skier asks you what the hell your riding just give him the Jedis and convert him to the bright side! We have cookies as well. Chocolate ones!

Rider – A.Bucher – Beginner Skiboarder

Line Jedi’s were a game changer…

These were my very first skiboards. Before these boards I tried regular skiing a few times but could never do anything more then barely making it down a green run. After putting these on by the end of the first day I was comfortably skiing down blues and by the end of the second day I was playing with diamonds. The transformation was remarkable. By the end of that weekend I was addicted. After a few seasons of use I moved up to the Line Mike Nick Pro’s. I put the Jedi’s away until my son was old enough to use them, his reaction was pretty much the same as mine. These boards are light weight, bullet proof, behave like rollerblades in the flats and like sharp knifes in the steeps. Their only weakness is powder, there is not enough area to stay afloat and the sink if you are not moving fast enough.

Rider – Alex Grabarnik – Intermediate Skiboarder



Fly’s are very maneuverable…

Before purchasing Line Weapons, I spent a lot of time riding the 2002 Line Flys. The short length makes them very maneuverable, but less stable than longer boards. For a smaller rider these would be a good place to start learning how to skiboard, before upgrading to something longer and wider.

The boards held up fairly well, but not as well as the Weapons or Mike Nick Pros.

Since these boards are on the short side, they’re not as fast or stable as longer/wider boards.

Rider – Courtney – Expert Skiboarder Admin at Skiboardmagazine.com


At the dawn of the skiboarding era there was…

In the beginning, there were no rules when it came to skiboard designs. The sport was in its infancy, and manufacturers experimented with many ideas. This was the setting when Jason Levinthal developed and manufactured his first skniboards. They have no specific name, and they are one of the most unique designs that I have ever had the pleasure to ride. The details are as follows:

Dimensions:
Length – 87cm
Width – 16cm

Groomers:
The ’96 Lines are excellent carvers, although their short length means that they tend to get chattery at higher speeds. Edge grip is excellent unless you’re on solid ice, and the side-cut allows for very quick turns. The flex of these boards is definitely on the stiff side, so you get plenty of feedback from the surface you’re riding on. This can make for a very bumpy ride in choppy conditions, but the boards rarely feel out of control.

Park:
The shortness, width, and stiff fles of the ’96 Lines makes them excellent park boards. Although the short length forces you to be very centered on your landings, the stiffness helps to keep you from flexing out if you go backseat. Boxes are a breeze with the 16cm width helping to really lock you on. A slightly wider stance is necessary, but this is easy adapted to.

Powder:
Going simply by the length, you’d image that these boards would be no good in anything deeper than a couple inches of powder. On very shallow inclines, you’d be correct. However, take the Lines down some steep chutes or through some tight steep glades, and you’ll have a totally different experience. Weighting the tails is definitely recommended, but there really isn’t that much a need to concentrate on pulling the tips up as with some other boards. The 16cm width not only provides lots of float, it also gives each board a large frontal area to ride up over snow with. Together these two attributes make the Lines an excellent choice for certain powder conditions.

Bumps:As with most skiboards, the ’96 Lines are easy to maneuver back and forth through moguls. Their width does add one small problem though. In tightly spaced moguls, the boards have a tendency to get a bit tangled against each other. Also, if the moguls are icy you’ll run into issues with grip while trying to navigate through bumps.

Glades:
This is the area where the ’96 Lines really shine in my estimation. At two different mountains, Jay Peak and Mount Bohemia, I felt the let in control and had the most fun when I rode the Lines. The short fat design gives them the perfect blend of agility and float for tackling tight steep powdery glades.

Note on binding inserts:
Back in 1996, a standard had yet to be set for insert patterns on skiboards, so each manufacturer used their own ideas. The Canon Boxters are another good example of this with a binding insert pattern that is rotated 45 degrees from the current standard. In the case of the Lines, the inserts ares spaced much farther apart, approximately 5x6cm square. This was originally meant to allow a proprietary “freeflex” binding, produced by Catek, to be used with the boards. This means that some customization is needed to use current bindings designed for use with skiboards with the now standard 4×4 insert pattern. In my case, I machined special adapter risers to allow Bomber Elite bindings to be used with my boards.

Conclusion:
In my opinion, the 1996 Lines are one of the best designs I’ve ridden in my time on skiboards. Personally, I can’t figure out why JL didn’t continue to produce these boards instead of switching to skinnier designs. Looking at the current trend in skiboard design of boards getting wider, it could be argued that this design was ahead of its time. Whatever the reason was, I wish Line had continued with this model. As it is, these are extremely rare, and I’ve never seen another pair besides mine. If you should happen upon a set, do not hesitate to snatch them up. I find it hard to believe that anyone would not have a blast one these boards.

Rider – Tim – Expert Skiboarder