Loving the DLP’s

I ended up buying the DLPs. Love them!! The Pros out weigh the Cons but here’s some info so you can decide for yourself.
Pros: Great in Powder and crud. Good in the glades. Great in the Park: unlike most skiboards you can land these things anywhere. Fast, quick turns. good in moguls. Love them for skiing with the kids: no poles to carry and if they need a push or help no long skis to get in the way. ALL ski instructors should have them.
Cons: Not great hold when conditions are hard. Make sure you file down top edge of skis or they will chip. Research or get custom bindings, the brakes I got with mine stick out and are always ripping up my pants(really annoying).

Grade: B+
Bottom Line: I’m not even a “Park guy” anymore, too old yet they are incredible in the park. The landing for such a short ski is amazing. I feel more comfortable off kickers on these then my 165mm skis. Great all mountain ski too.

Rider – Kurt


Skiboardmagazine’s Jason lays down the R8 Blunt XL review…

This was my first time riding rockered skiboards and immediately I felt comfortable with them. My first impression was this felt a lot more like I was “surfing” on the snow, initiating turns was effortless. I was pleasantly surprised and that the edges hold up very well for a wide library of turns, from slow to fairly high speed carves. They don’t pop out of turns, but this is to be expected without and camber to spring them out of turns, making them much more of a easy going kind of ride, even at high speeds.

They did not feel as cumbersome as other wide boards I’ve tried, holding up on ice better than I thought they would and easier to get up on edge thanks to the rocker. The interesting thing about the rocker is that the boards are always ready to be put up on edge and carve no matter the speed or conditions.

The combination of width and rocker is a dream in powder and soft snow, and they were easy to pull up over the snow when I felt I was sinking. They handled wonderfully center mounted in some light powder and even better set back when I hit deeper stuff, but I kept on wishing the tails were a little stiffer to give more support when the noses needed to be pulled up like drops or when coming into soft snow and crud, especially when riding them set back. I was falling back seat pretty frequently even after adjusting my riding. Their mid size makes them enjoyable in glades, able to pick tight turns in trees.

The rocker unfortunately doesn’t help much for skating around on the flats, and I felt the boards seemed slower to pick up speed than cambered skiboards.

For park I had to adjust my riding much more. These skiboards where not really conceived for park of course but I tried them out anyways. Without the pop of the tails take off on lips feels a little dull, I needed to pick up more speed to hit features and initiate spins. But once I adjusted it was an interesting feeling as if I was “surfing” off jumps and lips. The rocker on rails really was no fun, sloppy and easily falling off. But they are incredible fun to butter and press around on, never catching and edge when pivoting on the tails or nose.

If you’re looking for a powder board that doesn’t compromise too much on the rest of the mountain and if you’re into cruising around effortlessly these are wonderful. Best for freeriding down steeps, powder, and glades, and after mellow carves on the lower mountain back to the chair.

Rider – Jason Roussel – Expert Skiboarder Co-Founder of Skiboardmagazine.com

Schalk reviews the new Mantrax FR

Background: Another offering from the Czech Republic! This time it comes in the form of 99cm pair of fully symmetric, cap-constructed boards with a turning radius of 5.5m, and measuring 140-110-140cm. It is the work of skiboard shop owner and designer, David Zak.

I have ridden the boards under indoor conditions in the UK and outdoors in Slovakia in early season conditions. A pair of Spruce risers with releaseable bindings were used at all times. I did not do any tuning to the boards except for waxing, although I think that the boards can do with at least some detuning. I did not find it a particularly interesting set of boards, but I have by now ridden a wide variety of boards, but I do beieve these boards could be a very good starter set of anyone new to the sport. Especially for people living in the EU, it has an attractive price too.

Groomers: it carves pretty well and it’s short turning radius allows for negotiating the busy beginners runs with ease. Skating is pretty easy too. Out of the box the boards can be a bit grabby for hard carving, but for beginners it will provide an easy ride. They held edge well on the icy red runs we came across in Jasna.

Park: I suspect the boards would be well suited for park riding. It’s lightweight feel would suit those riders looking to slide rails.

Powder: Don’t. Just don’t.

Summary: It is a set of boards primarily suited for beginner to intermediate riders on groomers. Park riders looking for a second set of boards should considers these too.

Rider – Schalk Cronjé – Skiboarder

Summit Custom 110’s speed are incredible…

I have only skied in the North East US, which means lots of man-made snow and plenty of ice often with the occasional white-out conditions. After doing some research on skiboards, I went with the Summit Custom 110cm 2013 model. These came with Atomic release bindings.

The Summit Custom 110cm’s were a big surprise. The speed was incredible. There was no chatter and the edging grabbed at every turn. I especially like the 14cm width which helps it ride as if I had 2 snowboards under my feet. Turning was a breeze, spinning to backwards and even twirling around for multiple 360s also came with ease.

As the season progressed it seemed like the sky was the limit with these. I ventured through the glades with the ability to fit through the smallest of paths with instant response from my boards to make the tightest of turns. Downhills were tremendous and again, very surprises at the incredible speed and stability at max speed straight bomb running it. Turning at high speeds was probably my favorite aspect of these. A simple lean and they just grabbed and you carved at will. Not once over the entire season did they lose an edge or not go exactly where I wanted them to go.

Then comes the terrain parks. Being that skiboards are a lot lighter and shorter than my long skis, not having the extra length and weight really made for a fun time. I was able to get into those great grooves snowboards make entering the side of trail jumps that my long skis never seemed to fit right into due to the length. The flex in these was just enough to give me that extra spring into the air while still allowing landings to not be brutal and kept me balanced. I am not good at riding rails so I can’t tell you how they’d perform, but “Jib Boxes” were A LOT of fun and hit everyone I came across.

The graphics I thought were pretty cool on these featuring summit peaks. Probably the only thing I would have liked more about these is if they had cool graphic bottoms instead of the plain black. Transporting these was also very easy. They were small enough to fit in the trunk of a Honda Civic all season and were light to carry to and from the lodge. I was not easy at all on these, in fact I beat the heck out of them, and they just kept asking for more. These were phenomenal all-mountain skiboards and I would recommend them to anyone looking for a do-all go-everywhere type of boards and I look forward to the next season using them again.

Rider – Lyle S – Expert Skiboarder

Eliot gets comfortable on the RVL8 Revolts…

So I’ve been a snowboarder for year but have always been an aggressive rollerblader and proficient ice skater so i decided to get some skiboards. Rvl8 seemed like the best brand and since I’m 6’3″ 160lb I went for the 105cm Revolts. I rode all groomers and park this week in the UP Michigan. I was comfortable right away and had a ton of fun. By the end of the second day I was going down switch for entire blue runs, bombing black diamonds and doing some decently sized 180s. I haven’t had experience with any other board lengths or companies but the boards were great. I would recommend skiboarding to anyone looking for a lot of fun all over the hill. I’d be interested to see how shorter boards would feel, but I think the 105’s are perfect for someone of my height.
Rider – Eliot – Beginning Skiboarder


Schalk gives us the low down on the new 104cm EMAN Uprise…

Background: The is the first generation of Eman skiboards – a new venture coming from the Czech Republic. On paper, the boards seem to be very similar to RVL8 Revolts, but since I have never ridden the latter, this is not a comparative review. The review is based upon some riding on an indoor slope and two days of intense riding at Jasna, Slovakia.

Vital statistics: The sintered base boards have a poplar wood core and are 104cm in length with published tip/waist/tail dimensions of 14.7 / 11.2 / 14.7 cm and turning radius of 6.2m. Length along the base comes to about 105.3cm with the running length roughly coming to 80cm. Tip and tail height are both 4.9cm. Unweighed the board has a mid-point clearing of 5mm.

Groomers: Carve, carve, carve! This is where the boards impressed me the most. Whether is was laying long carves all across the slopes or short carves straight down the fall line, the boards responded very well. I pushed the boards into as many hard carves as my abilities allowed me too, but they were never grabby. Speed-wise it has been the fastest I have ever ridden with any pair of boards. It was only with the stiffness that I have some minor issues with. I found that that uneven black pistes caused quite a bumpy ride when carving hard. The boards are not very forgiving in this respect and probably the reason for the odd high-speed wipeout that I had.

Powder: I was really interested in how they would perform in powder and after having ridden RVL8 Rockered Condors off-piste for they day I was off the next day with the Uprises to see how they would perform on the same freeride zones. As common with cambered skiboards I had to sit back to get appropriate lift, which lead to some powder burn. Otherwise the boards handled well and floated brilliantly down the powder which was deep enough to cover boards and boots whilst riding.

Summary: A great pair of boards, possibly can do with a bit more flex, but boards most people can take nearly anywhere on the mountain. I can just imagine what a rider far better than I could do with these. Price-wise this will be a very attractive option for European riders.

Rider – Schalk W. Cronjé – Intermediate Skiboarder

FF Pro bindings are faultless…

Purchased late 1999 along with 2 hard rubber spacers (raising the binding 7.5mm – 2.5mm and 5mm), fitted to a Line Jedi 89cm Skiboard.

This was my first adventure on real skiboards. Previously I had skied big boy’s skis for about 17 years and then had a play on some Salomon Blades for a week or two. However the need to go off piste was a must, so I immediately got a pair of Jedi’s with the FF Pro’s.

Compared to a release binding, on a traditional ski, there was a bit of transition required with regard to the binding…however I am casting my mind back 13 odd years now, but this is what I can remember (FF’s last used 3 years ago although they are now on my spare Lacroix 99 and will be used again next season)

The bindings on a Solomon Blade are basically cheap and crude. Okay for a beginner/intermediate, but anyone wanting to do anything serious would not keep with them, or the actual blades themselves, other than for on-piste convenience.

The setup of the FF’s is easy once you understand the basics of how a binding and boot are designed to work together. Each boot has a mid point (centre) mark (normally small line) on the lower side of the boot. Whilst the binding main plate has a centre line marking.

Initially for setup you should go with the boot directly over the binding centre point, and then go and ski a bit, before trying a few different setting. The FF binding has a fine toothed interlocking base-to-clamp setup, so movement is straightforward. One hexagonal nut at either clamp would release it so it could be moved a few teeth in the direction required. Moving the other clamp proportionally. Make sure it is a firm fit though i.e. when you activate the clamp there is a bit of snap to it actuation as it closes on the boot front.

Finally, once you have decided on your on piste and off piste setup (primarily if on a low floatation Skiboard), you should then mark the positions so you can change quite quickly (about 5 minutes to do all 4 clamps).

One tweak I did was to place a bit of foam under each clamp nut within the rubber spacer to prevent the nut falling off in to the raised (7.5mm) gap. Which if you are up a mountain is a little bit annoying, as you need to take the complete binding off to get the nut back on.

As the FF’s are a fixed binding then there are no brakes so you need to get used to that setup. However, u
sing the ankle strap (release binding brake equivalent!) was a right faff and I soon modified it. Basically getting in to a fixed binding can be awkward particularly depending on gradient, snow conditions and if you are a little under the weather! Normally you are forced to take the skiboards off on bubble lifts etc and when you do a bit a trekking to get to some powder, so you definitely need to have got that sorted before you venture there.

I adjusted my bindings to accommodate this by making sure the heal and toe swing arms had some resistance (slight bend) so they would stay where you placed them – especially needed on the heal side. Then you do not need to use the strap to hold it up…Next I made an adjustment to the standard ankle strap as the clip would get full of compressed snow preventing it’s ease of use. There I changed by modifying the strap – made it one 10 inch single length with a stop at one end – so it could be placed under 2 boot buckles so no strap clips to connect. This meant if the ski did come off – it never did – then the strap was clamped under the buckles and prevent an escaping ski. Other than that a slight boot adjustment to the rear if a lot of off piste was to be undertaken and that was about it.

Also I went away from the little tie cord loop which went around the heel bar clamp, and looped the synthetic material (about 2.5cm (1 inch) width) around the bar and hand sewed it on and then placed a small plastic cable tie through it. The idea there was to provide extra strength and to give the setup some resistance so that the strap did not just fall down. It basically stayed in the position you placed it and hence made it easier to locate and use.

The front clamp is a double swing mechanism and the same idea was used on the upper swing element as it was to the main clamp. Hence, some resistance was introduced in to the smaller clamp so that it did not just flop around. Basically, once again, it would stay where you put it…Which when you are bending over with all your ski gear on, sometimes half way up a mountain, with a wind blowing, it can make things a lot easier.

From what I can recall they were the only mods carried out. They all worked for years making it quicker and easier to get in and out of the FF’s – should work on other fixed binding setups too.

Construction wise the FF’s were faultless. Light, strong and after being tweaked easy enough to get in and out of what ever and where ever.

Basically the FF’s are 13 years old and there is nothing wrong with them – particularly as there is nothing much to go wrong with them. It’s a simple, but effective design. Whilst to break an FF you would need to attack them with a power tool or something.

The double spacers provide a bit of cushioning – I imagine – and lift the FF off the board so the clamp arms/boot are out of the way on high angle carves. So for the little bit of extra cash they cost are worth having – I think 2.5mm was standard and then you could add to that if you wanted.

As a quick comparison to using the FF’s against a release binding (with brakes) on a Skiboard I would say the FF’s have several plus points.

They are a really light binding (max of 700g inc spacer each) in comparison with 2000g each (2Kg) for the release binding, riser & spacer (Tyrolia SP130) especially as the release binding requires a riser plate. So the lightness makes all day skiing effortless – unless you are off piste on low floatation skiboards.

Once setup for “you” then there is basically nothing to worry about. Just clamp yourself in and then that is it. They’re on, and they are not coming off unless you take them off.

Another little nice thing is the rear clamp loops make them easy to carry at the end of the day without dragging on the floor – depends on how tall you are though !

The 4 hexagonal screws fixing them to the board mean that they are easily removed so you can flat-pack you skiboards in your travel bag or rotate the binding if some “damage” has occurred.

Downside(s). Well once tweaked that would be the getting in to them on tricky terrain, but similar problems can be had with the release bindings i.e. compressed snow on bottom of boot issues…With a release binding you can kick/drag your boot over the top of the binding whilst the brakes prevents the ski from liberating itself. However, when there is no brake then you have a free moving ski and you need to build a flat platform first etc – can be tricky when it is steep and deep. Then you have to go for pole pashing/stabbing off the boot base by yourself or a mate. Hey, but you can still have that fun with a release binding just that is is a little bit easier with a braked ski.

Overall the FF’s are faultless and on piste/park I would give them 10/10 especially as they transmit any input directly to the board…7.5/10 unmodified.

Off piste they have fixed binding limitations. If you do not need to take them off then really they would be 10/10, but that is never going to happen. So off piste I would say 8.5/10 (modified) and 7/10 (unmodified)

Presently I ski Custom Summit 110’s (2012) with 5mm rubber spacer, synthetic riser and Tyrolia SP130 release bindings with brakes (downside, quite heavy compared to fixed binding), which I have reviewed elsewhere here. Whilst my big boy’s skis are generally left in the garage! Ski standard Expert when fit!

Rider – Spanners – Expert Skiboarder


Spanners reviews 3 boards (Jedi’s,Titanal 99’s, Woodies)

As I have skied on three different skiboards I have written one review covering them all as a form of comparison. The boards used were the Line Jedi (with FF Pro bindings + 2 rubber spacers), Lacroix Titanals 99’s (riser + Tyrolia SP130 release bindings) and finally Summit Custom 110′ s (riser + rubber spacer + Tyrolia SP130’s)

Jedi’s
I’ve skied for just over 29 years now since the age of 20. Skiing unshaped skis (planks), long skis and then long shaped skis. However about 15 years ago I wanted a bit of a change and did not want to go all the way to snowboarding etc. I’d briefly played on Big Feet and then had lots of fun on “blades” but was wanting something more so off piste was acheivable. So in late ’99 I got a pair of Jedi’s via importers from Canada.

Compared to blades these were fantastic and gradually I stopped taking my big boy’s skis and just settled on the convenience and fun of the Jedi’s – saving on lots of ski carriage as they went in my normal wheelie bag. Which also meant my back did not get jarred by the time I got to the slopes.

The Jedi’s have been a good companion for me over the years (11 in all). I have only semi retired them due to wanting just a bit more surface area – partly due to extra weight from all the safety gear – otherwise they are basically as good as they were many years ago. Tuning the edges if need be (lightly) every other day along with and a quick hot wax – and it only takes a few minutes due to there relatively small size – to keep the speed and agility in them.

So basically the Jedi’s are a lot of fun with some good credentials. On piste they are pretty good. Moguls fast and fun. Steep…whatever they just a grin. Possibly hard pack or ice are tricky sometimes where the shortness goes against them, but I’ve not had those conditions very often…we tended to spend even more time off piste when the conditions are like that.

Off piste they can do a lot once you are used to them. Which generally does not take too long. The Jedi’s struggle on shallow gradients for someone of my size/weight (70Kg/154Lbs + ski gear), needing a certain speed to get them floating. But once they are floating then you are off. Which is especially fun when in the trees, particularly as there is less ski to catch.

An initial niggle with the skiboards was getting used to the fixed bindings (Line FF Pro’s with 2 rubber spacers to raise binding) particularly after cable-cars/bubbles as you need to find out the do’s and don’ts. Obviously doing anything on a steep gradient, or off piste is going to be tricky, so you need to have got that sorted before you venture there. I adjusted my bindings to accommodate this by making sure the heal and toe swing arms had some resistance (slight bend) so they would stay where you placed them – especially needed on the heal side. Then you do not need to use the strap to hold it up…Next I made an adjustment to the ankle strap as the clip would get full of compressed snow preventing it’s ease of use. There I changed by modifying the strap so it could be placed under 2 boot buckles so no strap clips to connect. This meant if the ski did come off – it never did – then the strap was clamped under the buckles and prevent an escaping ski. Other than that a slight boot adjustment to the rear if a lot of off piste was to be undertaken and that was about it.

So other than the surface area of the Jedi’s there was no downsides, just smiles all the way. Hence skiing on them for years and years.

I did adopt the use of collapsible poles within a year of the Jedi’s as the poles gave you more options. Being collapsible you could keep them in your rucksack or collapse them down and hold them. But when you get to steep, deep or bumps they can bring back the “traditional” long ski feel. So the poles are there when you need them and not if you don’t. Off piste, extending the poles meant that you could float on shallower gradients then without poles and when it got really deep you could extend them to give some additional stability along with a larger baskets.

Skiing wise I’m not a risk taker. I’ll only start jumping etc if I’ve done a good few weeks skiing and my body is in the zone. I’ll go fast and do everything, but as I never got into skiing at a young age my mind will not allow me to do the younger fancy jumps and flips…until I’m nice and supple that is.

My overall score for the Jedi’s would be On Piste 8/10 Off Piste 6.5/10

Titanals
I then had an opportunity to get a bit more surface area and was going for some Summit Custom 110’s but they sold out in January 11 so I ended up getting a pair of never used Lacroix Titanal 99’s cheap of Ebay, some release bindings (new) and riser plates (new – non metal construction) which turned out to be from an old ski mate that had not heard from in 8 years.

The Titanals had a good surface area in comparison with the Jedi’s but with the release bindings they were a heavier piece of kit. Just as much fun and with usable floatation on shallow off piste now – mainly due to the greater surface area. Hence they were quicker then the Jedi’s on shallow gradients, but still required some conscious effort… A pair of 110’s would be ideal. 120’s would never fit in a wheelie bag, whilst transportation costs would mount up. Also 120’s are just not Skiboards – in my opinion.

The Titanals were more noticeable under foot on piste – in a good way. Partly because of the heavier bindings and general construction/size. Along with the increased width changing the feel of when you go to edge etc. They had a nice carbon fibre style black graphic on top but with a light Lacroix worded bottom – ideally would prefer standard black for repairs etc.

I only skied on the 99’s for a couple of weeks in Spring 2011. The skis were great, the bindings (Tyrolia SP130) messed around a little and needed some tweaking to resolve a front boot slide out issue (3 times) on aggressive turns on piste. This was resolved by taking the front DIN up to max (13). The beauty of this type of binding is it’s a “rental” type binding, meaning that it can be adjusted for different boot sizes by just moving a lever – no tools. Which means you can quickly move the binding backwards (3-5cm) if you want to to move the balance point for different terrain etc.

As I did not use the FF Pro bindings on the Titanals I’m not sure how much of the feel on edge and going to edge was down to that. Basically, they just did what I wanted when I wanted.

Overall on piste the Titanal 99’s were just as much fun in real terms, and I would give them 8.5/10. Off piste they cope a lot better then the Jedi’s and hence move up to 7.5/10.

Summit
For Spring 2012 I got in early and purchased a pair of Summit Custom 110’s (bamboo style woodies). I moved the Tyrolia SP130s on to 110s and added the larger of the high density rubber spacers from the Jedi bindings.Now I had the optimum Skiboard for my weight and what I liked to do – all terrain.

The 110’s had low gradient floatation off piste now, along with a bit of speed. With much better floatation generally off piste, meaning no immediate need to move the bindings back a notch to help keep the tips up rather than strain yourself – that would only be deep fresh powder now I imagine. However, conditions were so so for the 3 weeks skiing that season (two weeks Tignes, one week La Plagne). Conditions had meant pistes had a lot of hard pack – not ideal for skiboards – so it was a tad hard work mentally at times. Not much powder also meant that for a while they could not really be exploited. However there was enough in “hidden” places to know that 110s were fully capable.

The 110’s just add to Titanals which added to the Jedi’s. But each are a lot of fun.

The 110’s are more like the Titanals, especially with the SP130 bindings used. So they are quite heavy in comparison to the Jedi’s with FF Pro’s, but very stable. The main difference being the additional length then the 99’s and differences in construction.

Obviously because of the increase length there becomes a greater risk of injury with a fixed binding. However 110 is still a fixed binding option for me for my weight/height and because I’ve skied for years. However the slight convenience of the release binding does mean that skiing with mates means you are never having a trickier moment then them. Running the bindings on a high DIN setting is preferred – by myself – especially as fixed is still an option. The binding will still release but only when it really needs to. So you can do fast aggressive turns in confidence and also not get heavy snow building up on the tips pulling the ski off. Whilst there is no “strap” to worry about as now there are traditional brakes (on some models…wise to get them as makes putting on easier for a start as they cannot slip away as easily).

I would say that the 110’s and 99’s are great skiboards. The 99’s for young/short/light people and the 110 for all terrain/aggressive skiers/heavier skiers! Going with a release binding and collapsible poles (for all terrain, not really freestyle though) to give you greater flexibility – a collapsible ski pole is a reasonable good avalanche probe with the basket taken off and full extended if need be.

So for the Custom 110’s I would say On Piste 8.5/10 Off Piste 8.5/10

I would not count myself as an expert skier even though I’ve skied for many many years. Partly because I feel to be an expert you need to be doing more that a few weeks a year. I’ll ski anything and at pace, with loads of different turns, but unless I’ve skied for more than 2 months in a season I could not have the fitness level to do the things you do at expert level. However I’m always being told you can’t ski those “blades” off piste and they are not quick enough. I just say well I find they cope just fine… By the end of the day the naysayers end up saying they are not sure why they use these long skis, as it appears short skis are just as good…even Ski Guides have had to be convinced that these (110’s) are all terrain. Asking if I had longer skis with me or at the apartment – they had never had a skiboarder before! For me to say nope I’m fully kitted up for off piste, but these are the skis I use nowadays. By the end of day they too have said they’re surprised how quick they are, and that how they cope with all types of off piste.

So there you have it. Skiboards – in my opinion – are highly underrated – it’s a size thing…bigger must be better – and are great fun, convenient and basically can do what the big skis do, especially comparing against the norm of recreational skiers on big skis. So keep them tuned up every couple of days and they will just deliver every time whilst surprising the “nay saying others”.

Rider – Spanners – Expert Skiboarder

Titanal 99’s

Woodies

Sarah takes on the 2013 RVL8 Tansho’s…

I am a 5’2″ 145 lb non-athletic female from a skiing background. I was an intermediate level skier years ago, and decided to pick up some skiboards now that I live close to a ski resort.

I have a pair of 2013 Tansho’s with the Spruce risers and release bindings. I have taken them out 3 times now, and I absolutely love them. They are very maneuverable and I felt pretty confident with them even on steep blue runs that would have given me trouble with traditional skis.

The only place I had trouble with them was on the flats in choppy snow. I usually relax and stand up when I am tracking through a flat area, and in the choppy snow, there was a tendency for one of the ski edges to grab and run away from me. So I had to always pay attention or try to stay on edges in the flats as much as possible.

I am very pleased with these boards, and I would recommend them to any beginner skiboarder who is a similar height to me.

Rider – Sarah Fields (2013 Tansho)- Beginning Skiboarder